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This is a podcast aimed at better understanding other people and better understanding ourselves. 

I’m Zachary Elwood. On this podcast, I talk to people from a wide range of professions and backgrounds about behavior and psychology.

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I’m most known for my work on poker tells (aka, poker behavior). My first poker tells book, Reading Poker Tells, has been translated into eight languages. I’m also known for my work on political polarization (for example, my book Defusing American Anger). My independent research on deceptive online activity has been featured in NY Times, Washington Post, Buzzfeed, and more.

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FBI agent on interrogation techniques, reading body language, lie detectors, and more

A talk with Eric Robinson, a recently retired Federal Bureau of Investigation agent and former pastor, about what actually works in real-world interrogations—and what doesn’t. Eric is the author of a soon-to-be-published book with the working title Irreverend: From Saving Souls To Chasing Sinners In The FBI. Drawing on 24 years in the FBI, in…

Some object to polarization-reduction efforts: What are they missing?

This is a talk with Doug Teschner and Beth Malow—co-authors of the book Beyond the Politics of Contempt—about an aspect of bridge-building/depolarization-aimed work that rarely gets discussed: the backlash. We dig into the criticisms and skepticism that people on both “sides” throw at depolarization/bridge-building efforts—claims that it’s naive, weak, morally compromised, or even a form…

Ex-CIA officer on “intel frauds” Wayne Simmons and Chase Hughes

A talk with former CIA officer Kent Clizbe about his exposure of Wayne Simmons, a man who spent more than a decade on Fox News posing as a CIA counterterrorism expert—but who was a fraud and serial liar. And we talk about how that case mirrors what we see with self-proclaimed behavior expert Chase Hughes,…

The psychology of post-separation abuse: when leaving a narcissist is only the beginning

I talk with Jackie Miller, host of the podcast “Out of Crazy Town: Your Guide to Divorcing a Narcissist.” Jackie shares her personal story of escaping a coercively controlling, psychologically abusive marriage—and how that led her to try to help others navigating similar nightmarish situations. We talk about how these relationships evolve from subtle manipulation…

How behavior “experts” lie to you

This episode is a reshare from Chris Shelton’s Speaking of Cults podcast; the original episode is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEHXmfhMG88. Can you really tell who’s lying just by watching their body language? Are there any practical takeaways you can reliably and regularly get from studying nonverbal behavior in interrogation/interview settings? In this episode, I, Zach Elwood, author…

A news site using social network analysis to disincentivize polarized content

Aemula is a new kind of media platform that’s trying to tackle a big problem: the fact that the structure of our news media leads to various outcomes that amplify toxic polarization. (Sign up for free at aemula.com.) Instead of the usual “engagement = more exposure” logic, Aemula flips the incentives. You read an article,…

Can we work to reduce toxic political polarization even in our anger and fear?

For many people, Trump represents a uniquely dangerous figure in American history. But what if the contemptuous, maximally pessimistic ways many people talk about Trump and Republicans help put more “wind in the sails” of polarized, polarizing leaders like Trump? Similarly, do excessive contempt and overly pessimistic framings from Republicans help create more support for…

The psychology of Orgasmic Meditation and Nicole Daedone’s OneTaste

I talk with journalist Ellen Huet, whose new book Empire of Orgasm digs into the strange origins and evolution of Nicole Daedone and OneTaste, and goes into more detail than the Netflix documentary, which was titled Orgasm Inc. We talk about where OneTaste’s orgasmic meditation practices actually came from, how Daedone built a movement around…

Can clusters of behavior help determine deception?

Many people think there are telltale signs of lying — shifty eyes, nervous fidgeting, maybe a quick smile — that can give someone away to trained observers. But according to decades of research, that’s a myth. Still, some scientists push back on that consensus. A recent paper by well-known researcher David Matsumoto (of the company…